does the probability of everything go to 1 given infinite time
The important chunks of this post are contained in the title, just a quick question to all the math guru's, gods, philosophers or anyone else closely affiliated with infinity. Here i re-iterate "will everything happen given infinite time". I say yes. The real question here is "does infinite time imply infinite length and width etc..." I am not sure. Please enlighten me.
posted by Louis at 6:11 PM
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no
i think it goes to zero as well.
because they will never be one.. or zero.. always 1-0.1E(some random big number)... and zero + that same number...
so no.. my answer is no
oh yeah.. somehow i feel this post was directed to me...
haha!
I don't think the probability of everything goes to 1 given infinite time. I think the probability goes to 1 or zero depending on whether or not a given event was ever going to happen in the first place, but we have know way of knowing until it does.
Weapon, I understand your logic, but i am a bit confused by what you mean when something has probability 0. If it's possible in the human mind, then i'm sure that it's possible somewhere in some arbitrary universe with a different set of rules than ours. I guess we need a proper definition for the concept of something "happening".
You described a mind game in which you attempt to see all of the different persepctives of an idea or concept or object or whatever-the-fuck.
I can see several different languages to answer your question with, but nothing that establishes itself as true or correct.
ie:
Logic: Some events are contingent upon specific other events preceding them. IE if A and B, then C, or if not A, then B... or if A or B then C etc etc. I believe that logic dictates that the probability of an event does not necessarily become one over enough time.
Metaphysics: Parallel universes. Several dimensions. Time may exist as a non-sequential series of instances within some amount of dimensions (I for one have no idea how many supposedly exist). Multiple realities exist, etc. I believe metaphysics would dictate that probabilities do approach 1 over infinite time.
These are just my opinions, but the real point of my post is to ask the question - have any of you succeeded in combining languages (these or others) and approaching anything you can convince yourself is true?
Well Louis, if you're going to include arbitrary universes that don't have to play by our rules, I suppose you're right. However, I would conjecture it's possible that since our universe has to follow a certain set of rules, maybe every universe that's created has to follow this same set of rules. Other than that, I think you've widened the scope of your argument so far that you've not allowed for any other possibility except your original hypothesis. So, in such a case, you must be right.
M, from reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, I have come to realize that truth cannot be defined because truth comes before definition. Everyone understands the concept but it's only definable implicitly. Truth can be further subdivided into the categories you elaborated. So I agree with you when you say that if we rely on pure speculation (metaphysics), then everything could (will) happen.
Weapon: You are right when you say that if all universes follow some basic principle, than there are impossibilities. This whole discussion makes me wonder if human consciousness could even exist in different universes. Do these underlying principles define how thought works, or is our thought process merely sculpted by observations we have made on the products of these principles? (I am assuming that each universe has an underlying concept that encompasses everything in that universe)
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